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Feb 28Edited

I’m a software engineer turned psychotherapist. In the world of software everything is abstractions and metaphors for more complicated things, and we KNOW that we are talking in abstractions and metaphors. It’s a feature of the system, not a bug. We speak in abstractions that are obviously not “the real thing” but they allow us to get a grip on the extremely complex stuff underneath.

It is curious to me that mental health practitioners get so hung up on thinking that their pet theory is “the real thing.” It is very obviously not the real thing, but why is that a problem? It is all metaphors and abstractions—always was, always will be. “Attachment” is a metaphor—a very useful one, but a metaphor nevertheless. “Attachment” is not an object in the room with us and it is not a literal state or system in the mind or body. It is a powerful and highly abstract way to talk about some extremely complicated dynamics. So also, the “polyvagal” metaphor is useful. So is the “adaptive information processing” metaphor and all the other metaphors we use. (Heck and while we’re at it, “electron” is also an abstraction. The whole scientific enterprise is about developing useful abstractions.)

The only problem here is that we are pretending our metaphors are literal objects and literal states and literal systems.

Arielle Schwartz's avatar

Hi Sukie,

Thank you for your article. I've appreciated your work for years and know that we are quite aligned in the role of nervous system regulation in both mental and physical wellbeing.

There are some areas where I relate to your perspective; especially around the phenomenon of nervous states of psychological safety, freeze, and dissociation as real and that this is differentiated from the theories that explain these states. I'd also encourage you to consider your language about the polyvagal theory being "dead." Here, I believe it is important to be more mindful about jumping to this conclusion.

I have spent time this week in dialogue with Steve Porges which has helped clarify some of the problematic aspects of the Grossman et al., critique. As I share in my article on the topic:

"The central clinical proposition of polyvagal theory—that autonomic state functions as an organizing platform shaping perception, emotion, and relational behavior—was not empirically disproven in the critique. Rather, the debate centers on interpretation of physiological mechanisms and evolutionary framing. When the theory is engaged as it is formally articulated in the peer-reviewed literature, the claim of “untenability” becomes less clear. Portions of the critique appear to address a reconstructed version—at times a misrepresentation—of the theory’s foundational claims rather than its stated principles. Distinguishing between disagreement over mechanisms and refutation of core propositions is essential for an informed evaluation...

While the critique offered by Grossman et al. brings up important questions about the scientific basis for the claims presented within the polyvagal theory; they have failed to propose an alternative explanation for the paradox of the parasympathetic nervous system or clinical presentations of traumatized clients."

https://substack.com/home/post/p-188768641

Respectfully,

Arielle

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